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Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 664

Yeah, those pesky date setters, Noah, Abraham/Lot, Jonah, Moses, Joshua, were ALL causing trouble for the spiritual 'dead wood' of their day.

Today is no different. You would think the dumb, lazy dogs in the churches would bark to warn the congregation. Nope! The warning comes from those outside the churches, where the Lord has gathered His True Flock.

On May 21, 2011, the spiritual dead wood moves into the Lake of Fire, the second death.

Joined: 28 Jun 2008 Posts: 1335

'ye know not when the time is!'

Nightmares for camping religionists after May 22 are made of these! Big Red Letters of 'ye know not when the time is!' to wake them up palpitating with heavy breathing in the middle of the night. Very Happy

Unfortunately, the Open Forum will not be on at those early morning hours so they will have no comfort from the master. A Camping Book should always be handy at bedside for the quick fix when needed. Breathe in, breathe out!

Now please get a good mental picture of the Big Red Letters. Idea

Sweet dreams!

Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 664

@peter,

Of those who care about such things, ONLY the church folks are ignorant about what the time of the Lord's return will be. Just as the Bible declared it would be. I Thess 5:1-5 paints the picture of the times we are living in:

The first group are the church dwellers, AKA satan worshippers. Claiming they can't know the time of the Lord's return. Let's see what the Lord tells us what will happen to them, shall we?

1Th 5:1-2 "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord so cometh AS a thief in the night.

John 10:10, tells us a thief comes to STEAL, KILL, and DESTROY!

1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety (church folks claiming how saved they are. Christ can come today! I'm ready!!); THEN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH UPON THEM (Ooops! Judgment Day), as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

The second group, the True Heirs, those whom the Lord has GIVEN the End-Time info, so that they can warn the world (Ezek 33:1-10), have a different fate. Let's find out what that is, shall we?

1Th 5:4-5 "BUT ye, Brethren, ARE NOT IN DARKNESS, THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVERTAKE you AS a thief. Ye are all the Children of Light, and the Children of the Day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness."

According to God's Law Book, those claiming the Lord's return is a secret today, belong to group # 1, and will be left behind to suffer, and be destroyed. You still have 42 weeks left. There is still a small chance the Lord will come for you yet. Better read for Joel 2:12 for the formula.

Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 2057

You still have 42 weeks left. There is still a small chance the Lord will come for you yet. Better read for Joel 2:12 for the formula. - Witness

Witness, this is EXACTLY THE SAME FORMULA OUR CHURCHES TEACH.
Wonder how you missed that.

[Return to the Lord]

[12] “Yet even now,” declares the LORD,
“return to me with all your heart, [WORK]
with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning; [WORK]
[13] and rend your hearts [WORK]and not your garments.”
Return to the LORD your God, [WORK]
for he is gracious and merciful,
slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love;
and he relents over disaster.
[14] Who knows whether he will not turn and relent,
and leave a blessing behind him,
a grain offering and a drink offering
for the LORD your God? [ DEFINITELY A WORK]
(Joel 2:12-14 ESV)

Witness: did you notice ALL THE WORKS the LORD asks of His people?

I'm thinking you referenced Joel 2.12 by accident.

Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 2057

I can envision Witness calling Harold on the hotline and telling him to never, ever, ever reference Joel 2.12 ever again.

I imagine him shouting over the phone: "Joel 2.12 is killing us Harold."

laughing

Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 664

I've stated a 100x on this forum that your works cannot add to the possibility of Salvation. Why do you folks keep bringing that up?

Who will weep, mourn, and plead for foregiveness? Just anybody? Will you Jim? Don't think so! Your too good for that, right??!! Why you've been a church goer, AKA satan worshipper, for years! You have already worked out your end time plan (with satan that is)!! No need to revist your situation before the Battle of Armegeddon in 42 weeks!!

The ONLY ones who will weep, mourn, and seek the Lord's forgiveness, are the one's the Lord has regenerated. Telling someone to 'act' like a regenerated person, will not actually regenerate them. Just as repenting and believing under your own power has NO Salvation value.

The weeping, mourning, seeking the Lord's forgiveness is a place you need to get too. but only the Lord can get you there.

Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 2057

Witness, YOU ARE THE ONE who said we needed to look at Joel 2:12.

I'm just telling you what Joel 2:12-14 plainly says. WORKS!

You pointed me towards the verses that YOU NOW DISAGREE WITH.

I find that quite humorous actually.

Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Posts: 1604

WitnessoftheTruth wrote

The ONLY ones who will weep, mourn, and seek the Lord's forgiveness, are the one's the Lord has regenerated.

See how this works everybody? The Camping friends can add whatever "works" they wish (beg, plead, etc.) to the gospel and their defense is that only those who are regenerated can do them, so it's still all of grace. But that is exactly what I keep saying about repenting and believing....only those who are regenerated can do those things...yet every time I say that I'm still accused by the Camping friends of bringing a works gospel! These people have lost all ability to reason logically! All they need to hear is the words "repent" or "believe" and the sirens in their brains go off and they don't listen to a thing their opponents are saying! They continually attack me for making the same arguments they are making!

Let the record stand....Witness says it's ok to exhort people to do things as part of the gospel message as long as you understand that such things are only capable of being performed by the regenerate. That being the case, Witness has no problem with a "Repent and believe" gospel as long as we understand that only those whom God regenerates are able to do these things.

Has this matter finally been settled once and for all???

Joined: 10 Jun 2010 Posts: 184

Not in WT's mind. He stated, "I've stated a 100x on this forum that your works cannot add to the possibility of Salvation." As you saod, frank, he has had this explained to him at least that many times. He is too blinded by his date-worship and HC-worship; and he accuses us of idol worship.

Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 664

Actually, the carnal mind cannot understand Joel 2:12. Just like it cannot understand Acts 16:30:31. They see a command, and like children, they run to obey, not realizing this is the Lord's work.

You church folks are a most hopeless lot. Even after an explaination, you remain baffled. Amazing.

Judgment Day is 42 weeks from today. The last weeks of man's reign on planet earth.

"For when they (church folks) say, Peace and saferty, Sudden destruction cometh upon them, as trevail upon a womwn with child, and they shall NOT escape." I Thess 5:3

Would you like cookies with your milk?

Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Posts: 1604

WitnessoftheTruth wrote

They see a command, and like children, they run to obey, not realizing this is the Lord's work.

You church folks are a most hopeless lot. Even after an explaination, you remain baffled. Amazing.

You have explained nothing Witness. I've said repeatedly that we can only repent and believe once God regenerates us, and you turn around and tell me I don't realize it's the Lord's work. You are just talking in circles. You are projecting Harold Camping's caricature of "church people" onto me and not listening to a thing I say. Conversing with you is an absolute waste of time I'm afraid.

Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 664

@frank,

You say,:Let the record stand....Witness says it's ok to exhort people to do things as part of the gospel message as long as you understand that such things are only capable of being performed by the regenerate. That being the case, Witness has no problem with a "Repent and believe" gospel as long as we understand that only those whom God regenerates are able to do these things."

Exactly right. Thanks for posting. Man cannot come to the Lord with his WHOLE heart, unless the Lord GIVES him a new one (Ezek 36:33-36; De 30:6; Je 24:7; etc)

Jer 24:7 "And I will GIVE THEM AN HEART TO KNOW ME, THAT I AM THE LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for THEY SHALL RETURN UNTO ME WITH THEIR WHOLE HEART."

Without that 'new' heart, a person is 'up the creek'. Without that 'new' heart, a person is NOT in a favorable relationship with the Lord. That new heart refers to being born again. A most precious, and rare GIFT of the Lord.

John 3:3 "...Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Without being born again, a miracle only the Lord can perforrn, you cannot see (understand) the Kingdom of God. We ALL need this miracle to be included in the Rapture. Most will NOT be ready.

Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 2057

Witness, why don't you refer Frank to Joel 2.12-24. That would show him.

Joined: 10 Jun 2010 Posts: 184

WitnessoftheTruth wrote

"For when they (church folks) say, Peace and saferty, Sudden destruction cometh upon them, as trevail upon a womwn with child, and they shall NOT escape." I Thess 5:3

Matt. 24:36, "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." What part of "no" don't you understand?

Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 664

@Paul,

You are right!! No one knows, until the Lord reveals it. But, in our day, THAT DAY, May 21, 2011, is being spoken about in 56 languages world wide. The Biblical time line of history has been published for several years now. Still wishing to claim ignorance?

Not a good sign of your spiritual health. Denying the return of the Lord on May 21, 2011, backed by about 20 Biblical proofs, doesn't make the date disappear. It just demonstrates more than ever you have NO EARS TO HEAR!! It's called being spiritually dead!!

Only 42 weeks remain.