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"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" John 3:3

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:5

"The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit" John 3:8

In order for any person to enter the kingdom of God, they must be "born of the Spirit."

A person who is born of the Spirit no more has freewill to accomplish this than a baby born in the womb has freewill to decide the day he is born.

Now, what happens when one is born of the Spirit or born of God?

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." I John 3:9

"We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." I John 5:18

Those who are born of the Spirit or born of God do not commit sin in their soul, because they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

Can anybody "actively" or "proactively" or "freewill" or "decision" not commit sin? of course not....that is why John 1:13 says:

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13

To "believe on His name" means to be BORN of God...and because being "born of God" means to be sinless in their soul, is why "the will of the flesh" or the "will of man" cannot accomplish this.

Only "God" can do this..

"When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is IMPOSSIBLE but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:25-26

Who then can be saved? With men this is impossible...

Because man cannot be perfect

Yes, there are a lot of arminian fools and apostates out there who think following a certain set of decisions and instructions can make them "born of the Spirit" and 'sinless.'

Yes....."believe" on Christ and ye shall be saved, but that means "without sin" and born of the Spirit, not of the will of man.

And that proves that "active decisions" mean nothing as "active decisions" don't make one born of the Spirit

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" Matthew 7:22-23

There are a lot of zealous, fervant Christians cast into hell. They believed Jesus rose in 3 days, believe Jesus died for them, repented, prayed, read the Bible....and Jesus never knew them. They were never born of the Spirit. Their faith was a man-made freewill faith, not a God-given one.

As Jonathan Edwards said in "Sinners in the Hands of An Angry God:"

"Thus all you that never passed under a great change of heart, by the mighty power of the Spirit of God upon your souls; all you that were never born again, and made new creatures, and raised from being dead in sin, to a state of new, and before altogether unexperienced light and life, are in the hands of an angry God. However you may have reformed your life in many things, and may have had religious affections, and may keep up a form of religion in your families and closets, and in the house of God, it is nothing but his mere pleasure that keeps you from being this moment swallowed up in everlasting destruction"
Jonathan Edwards - Sinners in the Hands of An Angry God"

[b]"How dreadful is the state of those that are daily and hourly in the danger of this great wrath and infinite misery! But this is the dismal case of every soul in this congregation that has not been born again, however moral and strict, sober and religious, they may otherwise be. Oh that you would consider it, whether you be young or old! There is reason to think, that there are many in this congregation now hearing this discourse, that will actually be the subjects of this very misery to all eternity." Jonathan Edwards - "Sinners in the Hands of An Angry God:"

So, as arminians keep spouting and foaming at the mouth about their freewill decision, time is running out for them..

With each day that passes, one more day closer to hell that will take them..

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You are an example of how some of the sickest people hide under the banner of Christianity. Now you claim you are sinless. Good one.

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Feeble, senile, old Greg said

"You are an example of how some of the sickest..."

Lets look at these 3 examples..

1. Salvation comes by the will of God alone
2. Salvation comes with the will of God "joined" by the will of man
3. Salvation comes by the will of man

Feeble Greg is # 3. Many church people under the title of 'Calvinism' are part of # 2

# 1 is the true Biblical teaching and it sounds better to say "hypercalvinism" because they know they look stupid saying that salvation by the will of God alone is s-atanic.....so they "cover" that truth with the phrase "hypercalvinism"

Don't worry arminians.....your deceit will always be exposed, and your arminian god of baal is crushed with an iron fist.

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*yawn*

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Feeble, senile, old Greg said

"You are an example of how some of the sickest..."

Lets look at these 3 examples..

1. Salvation comes by the will of God alone
2. Salvation comes with the will of God "joined" by the will of man
3. Salvation comes by the will of man

Feeble Greg is # 3. Many church people under the title of 'Calvinism' are part of # 2

# 1 is the true Biblical teaching and it sounds better to say "hypercalvinism" because they know they look stupid saying that salvation by the will of God alone is s-atanic.....so they "cover" that truth with the phrase "hypercalvinism"

Don't worry arminians.....your deceit will always be exposed, and your arminian god of baal is crushed with an iron fist.

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Tom,

Your tough guy posture, over the top defense of doctrine, over the top offensive attacks and determination to argue with everyone all point to you. None of these actions, including the doctrine as it's presented, point to salvation, or to Christ.

Can you show me where your style of "preaching" is found in the Bible? I ask because I can show you where your conduct goes directly against the word of God.

Election is definitively a biblical doctrine. Your election gospel is devoid of any characteristics Christ displayed. Compassion, sadness over the lost, are lost on you. Your gospel also includes aspects not found in God's word. Intellectual knowledge of doctrine followed by an undetermined period of time waiting for assurance is not biblical. God commanded, and they believed. Yes, they believed because they were elect. They did not obsess over election.

You constantly trumpet the defeat of Campingism, Arminianism and annihilation as though they were your victories to proclaim. Your perceived doctrinal dominance over all your "opponents" is obvious. You even make sure older men are aware of your physical dominance; it's quite pathetic and sad. The dominance and victory belong to the Christ. He defeated Satan at the Cross and won the victory over sin for all those whom he has chosen. He didn't ask you to determine the chosen, nor intimidate those you think are lost. He commanded you to believe, and tell others.

Tom, are you saved? Do you know in your heart that Christ died for Tom Golda? I suspect that your vehement assertions concerning doctrine are an attempt to prove to yourself and/or God that you are saved. Lay down your sword, brother. Stop fighting, and begin a sober, joyful walk with God. Christ won. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Feeble Chris said

"God commanded, and they believed"

God commands the whole human race to believe, meaning to be born from above and be sinless...

And not one can obey that command, as mankind by nature is sinful

So, God must take the action in making a person sinless in their soul, by giving them His Holy Spirit.....He will only take this action with His elect. Only these few did Jesus die for...

You are offend at election, and you think that your "response" or your 'work' to "a command" can save you in your timetable...so you trust your actions. While you will divert that with "Oh I trust the Cross" your trust is in "your faith." Since Jesus only died for a select few, the reality is, you can believe Jesus died for you, but that does not mean He did. You have this absurd idea that if "you believe He died for you" that must mean "he did." The many zealous Christians in Matthew 7:22-23 and other verses all believe Jesus died for them..

You are just another sect of arminianism bound for hell...

Don't forget to keep diverting. You hell-bound arminians make that part of your tactic....

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LAMBSFURY wrote

Feeble Chris said

"God commanded, and they believed"

God commands the whole human race to believe, meaning to be born from above and be sinless...

And not one can obey that command, as mankind by nature is sinful

So, God must take the action in making a person sinless in their soul, by giving them His Holy Spirit.....He will only take this action with His elect. Only these few did Jesus die for...

You are offend at election, and you think that your "response" or your 'work' to "a command" can save you in your timetable...so you trust your actions. While you will divert that with "Oh I trust the Cross" your trust is in "your faith." Since Jesus only died for a select few, the reality is, you can believe Jesus died for you, but that does not mean He did. You have this absurd idea that if "you believe He died for you" that must mean "he did." The many zealous Christians in Matthew 7:22-23 and other verses all believe Jesus died for them..

You are just another sect of arminianism bound for hell...

Don't forget to keep diverting. You hell-bound arminians make that part of your tactic....

Tom,

You are a mess, young man. My heart breaks for you. You can't see what your obsession with this doctrine has done to you.

You are bearing false witness against me. I fully understand the process of election. I understand no one can, of themselves, obey the command to believe. They must be moved by the holy spirit to do so, for they are dead in their sins. I have never stated any of the things you claim I believe. Your lust for the battle has caused you to move to the absurd, dear brother.

You stated "you think that your "response" or your 'work' to "a command" can save you in your timetable...so you trust your actions."

Tom, you are fabricating all of this. You are making assumptions then basing false accusations on your own assumptions.

A good diversion is one that does not address the issue, then falsely accuses so as to avoid the truth. Or, in this case, the question:

Are you saved, Tom? The gospel I hear from you is the same one Camping preached with respect to assurance. Of course you have no assurance, Tom. The gospel in which you believe has none. It's not the gospel of Christ.

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Feeble Chris said

"Of course you have no assurance, Tom. The gospel in which you believe has none. It's not the gospel of Christ'

Just the opposite. The gospel of election is the "only" assurance. Because "you" do "not" have that assurance of election, is why the doctrine of election offends you. You avoid what you have no assurance of...as is typical with most so-called Christians

"But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work' Romans 11:5-6

The gospel of Christ is all about the "election of grace." You cannot separate election from grace.

And you weep and you see the destruction of your arminian god..

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LAMBSFURY wrote

Because "you" do "not" have that assurance of election, is why the doctrine of election offends you. You avoid what you have no assurance of...as is typical with most so-called Christians

The gospel of Christ is all about the "election of grace." You cannot separate election from grace.

Alright, we'll go through this again. I fully understand the doctrines of election and grace. Of course, the two are inseparable as they are both components of god's salvation plan.

I'm not sure from where the "offended" accusation comes. I'm not offended by the gospel, so I'm not offended by election. I'm neither offended by you, although your words and demeanor are offensive. I pity you, Tom. It's heartbreaking to see you devote the amount of time you do to this to no avail.

Since you refuse to answer the first question, I'll ask you another. Is there a biblical precedent in which a person who was unsure of their own salvation took every opportunity to tell other professing believers they were all headed to hell?

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Feeble Chris said

"Is there a biblical precedent in which a person who was unsure of their own salvation took every opportunity to tell other professing believers they were all headed to hell?"

I never said I was unsure of salvation. That is what "you" said about me...

Second....Jesus told His own disciples to fear hell in Luke 12

Third, I never told any "professing believers" here they are heading to hell...

I told false prophets, as that is what you are, and most who post here...

Now, if you feel I am a false prophet too, by the doctrine I hold, by all means, tell me I am heading for hell...

I would rejoice seeing feeble men like yourself to once act like a man....

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[quote="LAMBSFURY"]
I never said I was unsure of salvation. That is what "you" said about me...
quote]

That was based on other data. I'm never afraid to admit I was wrong. So are sure of your own salvation?

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LAMBSFURY wrote

I told false prophets, as that is what you are, and most who post here...

Upon what do you base the "false prophet" accusation?

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feeble spiritually disabled Tom Golda says:

1. God's word is a lie - believe me instead.
2. Biblical salvation is a lie - believe me instead.
3. To show love to the unsaved or even to believers who disagree with you is a sin.
4. To place one's faith in Christ for salvation according to the scripture is a sin punishable with eternal torment.
5. To exersise faith is a sinful work.
6. To believe God's word is a fruitless endeavor.
7. Christ was not God in the flesh and Christ is not the very image of God and manifestation of God's love.
8. Salvation took place at election and not at the cross.
9. God saves by a shake of the dice.
10. Grace is redefined as arbitrary favor.
11. Calvin is more important that Christ and is the true establisher of Christianity, to be esteemed more than the Bible.
12. Tom's muscles prove how knowledgable he is in the things of God, and if anyone else knew anything they would also be weight lifters.
13. God is not truth, God is a trickster and deceiver.
14. People are not saved, they are picked.
15. Forget repentance. Election trumps repentance. Election trumps salvation.

Mr Gold, you're IQ is embarrassing. The way you interpret verses and language is equal to a dog reading the ingredients on his food can. I'm wondering if you're mind has at this point actually been taken over by the enemy for the purposes of accusing the brethren day and night. You're persistence in insulting and accusing is in direct opposition to Christian instruction and Godly behavior, and is a direct reflection of $atan himself as he is rebuked by scripture. There is no precedent anywhere in scripture for justifiably accusing the brethren constantly, and you're persistence is a spit in the face of Christ. You are a false prophet, teaching a false gospel, lying to everyone by you're self-glorifying pride.

The only conclusion is that you are either an evil emissary of the enemy, or you are mentally retarded. You probably live on food stamps and welfare, had a horrible childhood, and rode the short bus to the school for troubled children. You're doctrines aren't offensive because they are stupid. It's you who is offensive, one by identifying yourself with Christianity, and two because you are drunk on yourself. Utterly intoxicated with yourself.

LOL!! You're not sinless pal. You're just another religious liar.

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"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" John 3:3

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:5

"The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit" John 3:8

In order for any person to enter the kingdom of God, they must be "born of the Spirit."

A person who is born of the Spirit no more has freewill to accomplish this than a baby born in the womb has freewill to decide the day he is born.

Now, what happens when one is born of the Spirit or born of God?

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." I John 3:9

"We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." I John 5:18

Those who are born of the Spirit or born of God do not commit sin in their soul, because they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

Can anybody "actively" or "proactively" or "freewill" or "decision" not commit sin? of course not....that is why John 1:13 says:

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13

To "believe on His name" means to be BORN of God...and because being "born of God" means to be sinless in their soul, is why "the will of the flesh" or the "will of man" cannot accomplish this.

Only "God" can do this..

"When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is IMPOSSIBLE but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:25-26

Anytime we see the phrase FAITH IN CHRIST, that is talking about being "born of the Spirit" and "without sin" in their soul

Thus 100% proving that faith in Christ is never the will of man, and that the majority of people's understanding of "faith in Christ" is ARMINIAN FICTION!