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Joined: 13 May 2011 Posts: 93

By the way The fishes in the net are getting less and less.

Joined: 13 May 2011 Posts: 93

UKPerson wrote

TrueBeliever wrote

Amen Frank, and thanks. Thanks also to everyone else in advance. I shall not post or visit this site again.

The more I think about it, the more I see the self-destructive side of a belief system like "Camping-ism" whose final goal is an end time date. It is an endless search that will lead to despair and ruination. The historical pattern is there: multiple dates for 1994. 1996. Then May 21, 2011. Many ruined lives. Should Oct 21 fail, then what? More dates to follow.

I'm not saying Oct 21 can't happen but I think I need to break away from Camping-world and even from studying the Bible. I need to get my head screwed on straight, and make changes.

Once again, I apologize if I have angered or offended anyone. God bless.

TB and everyone else,

There are so many proofs.

23,017/23,170 days from 14/5/1948.
1955 (5x17x23) years of the Church Age ending in 1988.
21/5/1988 - 21/5/2011 = 23 years/8400 (7 x 12 x 10 x 10) days. 1/4/0033 - 21/5/2011 = 722,500 ([5x10x17] squared) days. 21/5/1988 - 7/9/1994 = 2300 days (Dan Cool

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11,013 BC (creation) - 2011 AD = 13,023 years.
21/5/2011 - 21/10/2011 = 153 days/5 months.
4990 BC - 2011 AD = 7000 years. 7 days = 7000 years (Gen 7:4/2 Peter 3: Cool

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Needless to say I haven't even begun to mention the many, many different Calendar timepaths that all lock in perfectly. There's so much about the Calendar that I don't even know about.

God has planned all this perfectly - the true believers preached a literal earthquake/rapture for May 21 and this had a massive impact on the whole world. It caused extreme fear among many and caused many people to cry out for mercy in the very final days of salvation. This wouldn't have been the case if Camping simply preached that May 21 was spiritual and the closing of the door to salvation. The scoffers/unbelievers think they have won but they will be defeated in just under 9 weeks.

Also 21/10 is at the end of Sukkot and the world population is predicted to be 7 billion around this date. Even the way people are reacting to this is sort of a minor proof.

There can't be any more dates beyond 21/10/2011.

THIS IS IT !

Amen

Joined: 08 Mar 2011 Posts: 368

UKPerson wrote

TrueBeliever wrote

Amen Frank, and thanks. Thanks also to everyone else in advance. I shall not post or visit this site again.

The more I think about it, the more I see the self-destructive side of a belief system like "Camping-ism" whose final goal is an end time date. It is an endless search that will lead to despair and ruination. The historical pattern is there: multiple dates for 1994. 1996. Then May 21, 2011. Many ruined lives. Should Oct 21 fail, then what? More dates to follow.

I'm not saying Oct 21 can't happen but I think I need to break away from Camping-world and even from studying the Bible. I need to get my head screwed on straight, and make changes.

Once again, I apologize if I have angered or offended anyone. God bless.

TB and everyone else,

There are so many proofs.

23,017/23,170 days from 14/5/1948.
1955 (5x17x23) years of the Church Age ending in 1988.
21/5/1988 - 21/5/2011 = 23 years/8400 (7 x 12 x 10 x 10) days. 1/4/0033 - 21/5/2011 = 722,500 ([5x10x17] squared) days. 21/5/1988 - 7/9/1994 = 2300 days (Dan Cool

.
11,013 BC (creation) - 2011 AD = 13,023 years.
21/5/2011 - 21/10/2011 = 153 days/5 months.
4990 BC - 2011 AD = 7000 years. 7 days = 7000 years (Gen 7:4/2 Peter 3: Cool

.

Needless to say I haven't even begun to mention the many, many different Calendar timepaths that all lock in perfectly. There's so much about the Calendar that I don't even know about.

God has planned all this perfectly - the true believers preached a literal earthquake/rapture for May 21 and this had a massive impact on the whole world. It caused extreme fear among many and caused many people to cry out for mercy in the very final days of salvation. This wouldn't have been the case if Camping simply preached that May 21 was spiritual and the closing of the door to salvation. The scoffers/unbelievers think they have won but they will be defeated in just under 9 weeks.

Also 21/10 is at the end of Sukkot and the world population is predicted to be 7 billion around this date. Even the way people are reacting to this is sort of a minor proof.

There can't be any more dates beyond 21/10/2011.

THIS IS IT !

Please take a step back and look at the "proofs" from a logical perspective. You are looking at them through a scope of fear. The fear that it may be correct and you're not ready (not saved).

There is not a single "proof" that comes from a clear biblical directive. That alone draws this process into question. Furthermore, the process by which the "proofs" have been derived is a faulty one both biblically and scientifically.

Camping made his calendar, and there is nothing wrong with doing that alone. The problem is that he created a grid from the calendar. He then ran every possible number through the grid that HE made. He tells you of the coincidences that seem to fit together. He does not tell you about the thousands of numbers and combinations that did not fit. This disqualifies this process scientifically.

Camping then used all of this slanted information to project forward and predict dates. There is no biblical directive for this process. Therefore it is disqualified biblically.

Moreover, Camping used the results of this process to create a test for salvation. This is the most reprehensible, insidious part of all.

This process (and it's spawned belief system) has failed so many times that one must believe that God works in a way that will not stand biblically. He is not a God of deception and lies and failures. He doesn't need to be. Our own sin blinds us to the simple truth that we are sinners in desperate need of a savior. This process has succeeded in taking the focus off of Christ and his unfathomable act of sacrifice on the cross. Turn from this and look to Christ, not a calendar. Knowledge of a calendar will not save you; but the blood of the Christ applied to your sins will bring you eternal life. Can't you see, dear brothers, that Satan has gotten you to worship the calendar? When it is Christ who is to be worshipped because of his glorious defeat of sin at Calvary.

Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Posts: 595

UKPerson wrote

It will happen.

Teeb, all the best.
Perhaps this forum helped you. Even if salvation is closed and the rest of us are wrong, it's a good idea to rebuild your life.

UK, we're not wrong but most of us aren't too enamored with the idea that you'll be persuaded. Right now you're about my last hope to see what happens psychologically to those who just won't give up.

Please please please hang around and post 22 October.

Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 1195 Location: Canada

jimthompson wrote

Please please please hang around and post 22 October.

Yes UK, hang around post October 22nd and don't forget to choose a costume for Hallowe'en on October 31st. I'm planning to dress up as Harold Camping. I wonder where I can get a Harold Camping mask? I'd like a mask that looks like he did on May 22 when he stuck his head out the door to tell the reporter to go away! At that moment he hadn't had time to explain the "non event" and he looked rather befuddled. Confused

I actually felt sorry for him after I saw that video. However all sympathy for him vanished when he came up with the ridiculous explanation that there had been a "Spiritual " earthquake and God had planned it this way to scare people into repentance and now the "Day of Salvation" was over. Rolling Eyes

Ken

Joined: 13 May 2011 Posts: 93

Actually the idea of great earthquake and fire gives me the greatest fear in my heart. I don't want any of those around oct 21.

But whenever I think about spectacular calendar of harold camping's ,a certain kind of vibes comes in my inner soul . That makes me think , it could happen because it is impressive calendar and it can be of God's. And other situation in rev 11 seems confirming this events.

Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Posts: 595

Hyperspace wrote

I amn't just saying this or acting ( because it's easy to write in internet). I truly beleive oct 21 will be last day of judgement. I promise that.

A number of folks made similar promises hundreds of times in the past.

All but the slowest learners have figured out that you cannot, in fact, predict the future. With respect to the end of the world, Jesus Christ himself said "no one knows the day or the hour" in plain words, and none but the feeblest of minds (or, perhaps, the most megalomaniacal of minds) think he got it wrong.

Most recently, Mr Camping (superceding his own understanding above that of Jesus) made a similar promise for 21 May, and if my memory serves me, you bought into that crock of poopie as well.

What, exactly, is the consequence of your promise failing?

You're just being silly.

Joined: 14 May 2011 Posts: 262

Well, our friend TrueBeliever couldn't stay away after all; in the last hour he has posted twice to LR, identifying himself as "True Believer" from "Departout":

TrueBeliever wrote

Here's what I wrote on Departout as True Believer:

Rev 12
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

My understanding of this passage is that it is talking about the five months period.

The woman = the True believers,

Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman <1135>, made under the law,

Camping was correct to understand the woman in Gal 4:4 is not talking about Mary but the Elect.

During the five months, satan sends a flood or rivers of water to destroy the Elect, but we were given two wings of an eagle to escape harm, agreeing with what we read in Rev 9:4-5, and Mt 24:28, Luke 17:37 and also Rev 11:8.

Mt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Lu 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

However, what is verse 16 talking about? What is the Earth? And how does it swallow up the flood?

16 And the earth<1093> helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up<2666> the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up <2666> in victory.

John 21:11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land<1093> full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.

When we compare scripture with scripture, the meaning of verse 16 becomes clear. This verse is teaching that the Believers are not hurt by the dragon's flood waters, which has destroyed every one else at this time. We will reach the shore(Earth) and gain total victory because when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality, and we know this happens at the LAST DAY, Oct 21, that is the moment when Death is swallowed up in victory.

So verse 16 is speaking of that time, Oct 21, when the believers reach the shore/land/earth, and death is swallowed up in victory at the battle of armageddon.

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BTW, compare what we read in Daniel 7:27 with Rev 11 when the seventh angel sounds(the third woe).

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Rev 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

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Re 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood <4215> after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Re 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood <4215> which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Re 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river <4215> Euphrates.

Re 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river <4215> Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

I wonder if the river Euphrates that was DRIED up is the river that flooded the entire world from the mouth of satan?

Joined: 05 Jan 2011 Posts: 268

As i've said ...

this.. is .. an .. addiction for people.

They will not, and cannot stay away. It's like an alchoholic, or a druggie. It takes counseling, and a lot of time. It's very hard for anyone to quit 'cold-turkey.'

Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 1195 Location: Canada

Nice to see you posting again, Danni. I'm getting kind of lonely on this site, not many posts lately. Of course it will be even lonlier after October 21st when the dozen or so "True Camping-ite Believers" get whisked off to Glory Land! I think that since there are so few of them, they should all huddle together on the night of the 20th and make it simpler for God to gather them up. Maybe they could all wait in some kind of a capsule with their little lamps burning and full of oil! Question

Ken

Joined: 05 Jan 2011 Posts: 268

Thanks.

I've found that I had to stop posting for a while, because honestly I was just getting very annoyed and felt like I was fighting a losing battle. It's like telling a heroin addict that the heroin is bad for them, you know?

Joined: 23 Sep 2009 Posts: 2819

TB: we know that you've fallen off of the wagon so you might as well come back to departout.com. There is no use in pretending that you are still going to live up to the oath to us and yourself.

Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 1195 Location: Canada

didymus wrote

TB: you might as well come back to departout.com.

I'm sure he's still lurking in the Departout background!
Ken

Joined: 08 Apr 2011 Posts: 190

I'm hoping TB makes a post-October 21 appearance on this site to let us all know how he's doing and what getting past this date means for him. He's lucky to have freed himself from Camping-ism long before October 21, and I think we can all say we're proud of him for living up to his promise of leaving this site months ago and not allowing himself to fall back into the delusion.

Joined: 14 May 2011 Posts: 262

CIS wrote

I'm hoping TB makes a post-October 21 appearance on this site to let us all know how he's doing and what getting past this date means for him. He's lucky to have freed himself from Camping-ism long before October 21, and I think we can all say we're proud of him for living up to his promise of leaving this site months ago and not allowing himself to fall back into the delusion.

Unfortunately, after he left this forum he started posting again on LR and T&J under the screen name may_21_2011_judgmentday. His last post to LR was on September 11th and his last message to T&J was Wednesday afternoon.