Depart Out • Harold Camping • End of the world • church age • Family Radio • View topic - TrueBeliever and UKPerson Guarantee October 21 Rapture Date

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TrueBeliever wrote

Oct 21 will be the rapture because this is what the Bible states.

YET ANOTHER NOTE TO MYSELF......

REPOST THIS MESSAGE ALSO ON OCTOBER 22.....

END OF YET ANOTHER NOTE TO MYSELF....

TB.........
I promise you that I will bring these NOTES up on October 22, and have you explain them....

I let you off the hook on May 22 and did not bring up all of your false accusations and lies, but I will not let you off the hook this time........

I was hoping you would come to your senses like others have here in this forum, but you did not........

You are persistent in your ignorance and delusion..........

I will not let you or any other Camping-ite think you have any credibility at all, for the sake of the hundreds of readers of this forum each day.......

Harold Camping is a false prophet and cult leader under the authority of Satan. You and other followers are now full fledged cult members and need to be exposed for your lies and s-atanic heresies.

Jim B.
jimbbbbb@gmail.com

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UKPerson wrote

JimB wrote

The Jehovahs Witnesses and other cults have predicted many dates that were wrong and did the same thing as Harold, they just spiritualized the non-events, and never admitted they were wrong.

Yeah, but the difference is their dates had no Biblical basis, unlike May 21/October 21 which have plenty of proofs backing them up. William Miller's 1843/1844 dates are the closest rivals, but really even they don't come close.

The 2 dates of May and October 2011 were always rock solid. For the past 4 years nearly, any argument against the Calendar was weak at best, from where I'm standing. It's just that we were evidently wrong about what the date of 21/5/2011 actually meant.

21/10/2011 has to be the date of the Rapture/the end of life on Earth as we know it. It just has to be.

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TB and UK,

Answer the question without double talk......

When October 22 comes will you just admit you are wrong, Harold's Calendar is wrong, and NOT set any further dates?

YES OR NO?

Just answer yes or no, please...........

Joined: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 3314

Yes because unlike the first woe, the second woe is about the rapture. So if nothing happens on Oct 21, we know the calendar is false. It has to happen.

Don't worry friend. I understand your heart. You're not doing this out of hate or malice. I'm not offended.

I'm just sorry that you didn't listen to my warnings before May 21. I feel sad that today salvation is finished.

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JimB wrote

TB and UK,

Answer the question without double talk......

When October 22 comes will you just admit you are wrong, Harold's Calendar is wrong, and NOT set any further dates?

YES OR NO?

Just answer yes or no, please...........

Personally, IF by any chance October 22 comes without physical incident (very very unlikely), then I would be left very confused. However I would not lose faith, I would have to conclude that God had His reasons for tarrying. God will always open our eyes and lead us to the Truth.

2 Timothy 3

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

I've recently read that the UN has predicted that the world's population will reach 7 billion by the end of October. Obviously this is not directly from the Bible, but it is a fascinating coincidence. In my eyes this is a further proof, albeit an extremely minor one.

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TrueBeliever wrote

I'm just sorry that you didn't listen to my warnings before May 21. I feel sad that today salvation is finished.

Me too, but I live in hope. The thought of no more salvation is horrific.

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UKPerson wrote

TrueBeliever wrote

I'm just sorry that you didn't listen to my warnings before May 21. I feel sad that today salvation is finished.

Me too, but I live in hope. The thought of no more salvation is horrific.

Yes..horrific beyond words. Very sad.

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TrueBeliever wrote

......... if nothing happens on Oct 21, we know the calendar is false...................

TB and UK,

So you are saying that if no physical rapture takes place, and no physical end of the world, then Harold's calendar is totally wrong, and you will admit he is a false prophet, correct?

You will not say that Oct 21 is a spritual, invisible, event, correct?

You will not say that there are more woes or watches to wait for, correct?

You answer yes to all of these questions?

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Yes, because as I said, the second woe is about the rapture. If nothing happened physically on Oct 21, then we know the calendar is wrong. There can be no spiritual rapture. It has to be literal.

A non-event on Oct 21 would convince me that we were truly in error.

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TrueBeliever wrote

Yes, because as I said, the second woe is about the rapture. If nothing happened physically on Oct 21, then we know the calendar is wrong. There can be no spiritual rapture. It has to be literal.

A non-event on Oct 21 would convince me that we were truly in error.

OK,

So after Oct 21 passes, if you read any studies on Latter Rain forum, that suggest that May 21 and Oct 21 are significant dates, and the Lord will return some other date in the near future, you will reject this out of hand, correct?

You will admit that we can not know the exact day and hour of the Lord's return, correct?

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I don't think even Latter Rain will continue in Camping-ism.

Camping-ism is dead if nothing happens on Oct 21.

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TrueBeliever wrote

I don't think even Latter Rain will continue in Camping-ism.

Camping-ism is dead if nothing happens on Oct 21.

There will be a few hard core hold outs, that will never give up on the calendar.

I think Family Radio is coming to an end with soon........

It is only listener supported and who will send money after 2011 passes......

What a shame.........

God used Family Radio to bring me to Himself a long time ago......

This whole thing is a nightmare devised by the Devil......

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JimB wrote

TrueBeliever wrote

......... if nothing happens on Oct 21, we know the calendar is false...................

TB and UK,

So you are saying that if no physical rapture takes place, and no physical end of the world, then Harold's calendar is totally wrong, and you will admit he is a false prophet, correct?

You will not say that Oct 21 is a spritual, invisible, event, correct?

You will not say that there are more woes or watches to wait for, correct?

You answer yes to all of these questions?

I think someone else on this forum (maybe Didymus ?) tried to derive other dates (specific dates, not just years) using the Calendar and the all important Biblical numbers. Whoever it was conceded defeat and said it couldn't be done as far as I recall. Also let's face it, if this was possible it would've been demonstrated a million times by now. Any other future dates that people can come up with cannot tie in with all other important dates of the Calendar. The date of 25/5/2012 (May 21 + 370 days of Noah being aboard the Ark) only has one or two links to it at best. I have looked into this myself. There is no link to 21/5/1988, 14/5/1948 etc as far as I can see.

An October 21 failure would be pretty difficult to rationalize. A 2011 failure, as a year, would be even more difficult to rationalize, given the 4990 BC Flood date. Having said this though, all the proofs must still stand no matter what. There are far too many of them to think otherwise. It can't all be wrong.

If 21/10/2011 is not the end as we know it, we must simply conclude that Christ will return as His appointed time. Whether we are meant to know that or not is purely up to Him.

We must wait upon the Lord. Not long now.

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TrueBeliever wrote

I don't think even Latter Rain will continue in Camping-ism.

Camping-ism is dead if nothing happens on Oct 21.

That is what the world will think, but what if it is another test ?

Who will endure until the end ?

A big part of me tells me that it is Oct 21 or nothing, but another part of me doubts. I have never known anything like this in my life, it is truly amazing - how can it be wrong ?

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Oct 21 is the second woe. It's the feast of the tabernacles. This must happen if the Calendar is true.

There's really nothing else to say. it's that simple.